Thursday, 3 July 2008

When it gets right down to it...

I watch a particular 'forum' on DeviantArt and found this bloke and ended up arguing with him.

He starts off by telling a bot account that he hopes it dies:

Him: if you even exist DEVART, I hope you and your family dies because a long term, and painful CANCER

I respond:

Me: That's really very mature of you. No, really. Truly. ...You can tell I'm being sarcastic can't you? Ah well.

Him: I know devart dont exist nor he will respond, I just wanted to release the presure in this "oblibion" poll, besides, you read that, didn´t you? if deviantart keep banning pics for some stupid reason, i´ll keep myself going here and yelling to the everlasting vacum

Me: Precisely what good will it do? Why don't you figure out why your work was removed and learn from the experience? It's certainly a much better use of your time, than yelling at a bot that will never respond. Though I suppose you are causing the watchers much amusement.

Him: ha ha ha, that is just fine! so we have to bend like sheeps to whichever stupid new rule the deviantart staff decides to came out with???
if i want to post here some sexy girl I will do it... and by the way, do you even know why I was commplaining to "devart"?? they did not deleted a nude image, they just told me that some of them are required to being labeled as mature content, and THEY ARE NOT!!! they are wearing a skimpy out fit, and thats all!!! deviantart is going to hell if they coninue going forward the path of absolute intolerance... i am not a porno artist, you know? I just draw sexy things, thats why I am so angry, ok?

Me: On this particular site, yes, we do have to 'be like sheep' and follow the rules. You're supposed to read them before signing up. If the people running the site say your images need a mature filter, then according to THE PEOPLE WHO RUN THIS SITE, they do. If you don't like it, go to hentai or fur affinity or even that adult poser site. And after looking at your submissions, I find myself in complete agreement - most of them do need a mature filter.

Him: then go to other artists pages who are more famous than me, and display more flesh and sexy situations than me, and whimper to them because they are bending the rules, deviantart is full of hypocrital people, and it just run by INTERESTS, not by their elastic rules! so go teach some another about rules and shit. and I repeat to you, if if you find my stuff too wrong to be displayed with out a mature filter, just run to the church closer to your home, and pray to save my soul, I really need it

Me: I'm an atheist and a fascist, sorry, I don't pray. If you've spotted other art that needs filtering or removing, then report it - that's what the little report button is for.

Him: then you are telling me that as they delete my pics, i have to release myself fucking some other guy???????? oh god. look, I think we started quite badly... I apologice for my initial "rude mode" now, really, lets talk in a fair way, someting more usefull for our comunication, as far as we are no devart, lol.
I mind my own business, I think I dont need to report any other guy art, because I have never had the feeling of seeing anything wrong , nor here, nor in any extrahardcore drawing page, so I dont feel like going over deviantart with my axe, and the most important, I dont understand why other people does it, really, I mean, reallypeople feel so disapointed to see some bare breasts IN A DRAWING?????.......jesus christ, I am not talking of someone going too far with a doulble penetration, nor anything hardcore whisperelmwood, I understand that deviantart orientation about the type of submision heads the web to a not-adult-only content, but still, I think a fair ude, or a girl in a skimpy outfit enter this category, dude, we are in the 2008, when our children gor to the place they buy their comics, they are mature magazines all around them, you know? its life, sex surround us!... I am just pointing out that deviantart sometimes goes too far (way too far in my opinion) about their banning policy, and that they should be more straight, while they dio not ban people because they feel like its good for the web to keep their wors as a hook for viewers, they mesure thigs with two different messure-bars, and we dont improve that banning another guy to release ourselves, but complaining to deviantart... the onlyway I have to do it its to keep myself tryig to bend the rules in a way I put things difficult to them, as for example, they banned, a nude of one character I drawn, when in the original series she was nude in the opening (really!!!!) and it was a educational series in the 80s!!!!... are we going ackwards about morals and liberties???? I know i draw very sexy stuff, still, I think I never drawn anything too wrong

Me: The point of the report button is to enforce the rules that every member of this community should be adhering too, but the admin don't have the time to police on their own. The rules are clearly there when you first sign up to this community and they should be read - there is a box to tick saying you have done. Evidentaly, people don't - and the report button is there to remind them.

What you appear to be forgetting is that A: there are under-aged children using this community and B: DeiantArt is required by law to keep to the laws of it's host country.

And no, when they walk into a magazine store, they do not see what you draw, because the top shelf is always paper bag'ed or otherwise censored. Just because you believe children are far more able to spy adult oriented work, doesn't mean we should enable them further - children are children and should be allowed to continue to be children until they are ready - by law - to grow up. And that means not letting them see innapppropriate artwork when under the age of 16/18.

As I'm sure you spotted in my own gallery, I draw adult oriented and sexually explicit artwork myself, but I have the sense to keep that artwork to sites and communities where it is welcome and not constrained by the age restrictions and pornography laws that this community adheres too. You should seriously think of doing the same thing.

If you honestly have a problem with the rules on this community, there is a really, really, very simple solution. Go away. Find somewhere else. Find somewhere where they don't give two hoots about childhood and stop complaining here.

I really do get into some of the stupidest arguments sometimes.

Edit: Continued

Him: nice, so you basicaly stablish that sexuality is something wrong by its own nature, dont you? then there you have what is your problem, and I repeat to you, I am not displaying anything not even sexual, just some nudes.
also, believe me, there were laws in where it was stablished that a woman who was able to think by her own had to born in a bonfire.

and again, and dont forget that, you are forgetting this unconvenient detail about people who are not banned because they are somehow sacred cows or whatever the deviantart staff finds so good to be displayed in their web, is it their sexy work less harming for the poor children???? no, it is just more convenient for the web.

and DONT EVEN DARE to say that I dont mind about childrens, because I SHOW A BREAST, what is the most that I have displayed, what I was meaning, is that EVEN CHILDREN ARE SMART ENOUGH TO SEE A NUDE AND KNOW THAT THIS IS NOT BAD, not like others I bet...... and sorry, no one is a child because laws say so, you are a child or not, laws has nothing to do with that, really, I think you should check some of your beliefs.

and yes, I draw much worse matterial too, and it is not displayed here either, so dont put e in so bad place f you dont know jack of me, ok??, what makes me feel like "ohhh god" is that a girl with wet clothes is something childrens should not look at, that is pretty mean.

and, ey, travel a little, I feel you really need to know about other countries really, I have been in several countries, (not a lot, but several still) I have never seen something alike those "paper bag´ed magazines" lol, really.

and I was not saying that the child tries to spy, wtf? lol lol lol, its you who has said that!!! I was meaning a very different thing, lol you are a really really mean person dude. buff, I quit, continue quarreling so much as you want, I´m done with that.
by the way, just as a little final quote, you are defending those who woulnd´t mind to hang homosexuals like in a party, and this is the wrong party dude..... enjoy the link:

I just think like you, a hug never should be taken something wrong :( .... bye.

Me: No, I only 'stablish' that it is wrong when concerning pre-sexualised humans. And you do display sexualised images, espescially that one of Velma and Corpse Bride.

As a woman, I take offense at you trying to tell me something I already know - it is patronising and condescending. Go away.

No 'unconvenient detail' here, the only reason some people have not had explicitly sexualised images removed, it because they have not yet been found and reported - the ones that are allowed here, are tame and under a mature filter.

There is a vast difference between 'seeing a nude' and viewing soft-core porn. Your work, for the most part, falls under the latter heading. And, when it comes right down to it, children do not know the difference and should not be forced to learn the difference until they are of legal, emotional and chronological age to understand the difference.

Sorry, but BY LAW, anyone under the age of 16 is considered a child. It doesn't matter how grown up you or they think they are, they are children and should not have adult issues foisted upon them. My 'beliefs' as you call them are based on both the law and an understanding of emotional and biological development. There is a damn good reason humans under the age of 16 are considered children by law. Live with it.

I have no idea what this means: and yes, I draw much worse matterial too, and it is not displayed here either, so dont put e in so bad place f you dont know jack of me, ok??, what makes me feel like "ohhh god" is that a girl with wet clothes is something childrens should not look at, that is pretty mean.

I have travelled quite a lot, thankyou. Stop making assumptions. I have seen the things I described in most places, you apparently are just unaware of them. In some countries, the very idea of pornogrpahy or even jsut a little titty is completely forbidden. Be happy you can even have this discussion where you are.

*rolls eyes* 'spy' as in see, idiot.

I'm mean? Because I don't like the idea of pre-sexual humans, being able to see sexualised images? That makes me mean? Really? What the hell kind of planet do you come from?

you are defending those who woulnd´t mind to hang homosexuals like in a party, and this is the wrong party dude. I take it you mean that by defending the porn laws on this website, I am defending homophobics? Really? Are you entirely sure of that? Because, as far as I've noticed, not a single yaoi/homosexual/gay image has been removed from this site JUST FOR BEING GAY, for instance, none of my own gay images have been taken down.

Oh, and thakyou for linking to one of my own images. Very nice of you. Doesn't prove much though, only that some people can't tell the difference between sexual and platonic. If you think I'll take that as a hint, I wont, because I can, and most of your images either blur the line or cross it completely.

1 comment:

Sean the Blogonaut F.C.D. said...

Ah well you live and learn. That was a truly painful argument.